http://gusiev.com/2009/05/jboss-seam-usage-makes-the-application-code-crazy/ How to make your web application Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:56:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 http://gusiev.com/2009/05/jboss-seam-usage-makes-the-application-code-crazy/#comment-148 Mirna Srygley Thu, 25 Mar 2010 15:58:31 +0000 http://gusiev.com/?p=18#comment-148 would it be possible to translate your website into spanish because i have difficulties of speaking to english, and as there are not many pictures on your website i would like to read more of what you are writting. http://gusiev.com/2009/05/jboss-seam-usage-makes-the-application-code-crazy/#comment-54 Bogdan Sat, 06 Jun 2009 18:11:12 +0000 http://gusiev.com/?p=18#comment-54 > the biggest pros of Seam for me - is simplicity of data-binding and natural way of organizing the code. <br/> Can you please be more concrete? How is it done in Seam? How is it done in other frameworks? Why does Seam better? the biggest pros of Seam for me - is simplicity of data-binding and natural way of organizing the code.
Can you please be more concrete? How is it done in Seam? How is it done in other frameworks? Why does Seam better? ]]> http://gusiev.com/2009/05/jboss-seam-usage-makes-the-application-code-crazy/#comment-53 Antonio Sat, 06 Jun 2009 12:57:33 +0000 http://gusiev.com/?p=18#comment-53 Why you want to integrate JBoss Tools from Eclipse into Intellij IDEA ? IDEA has it's own "seam-tools" http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/features/jboss_seam.html And yes, it's true, think twice before switching to _ANY_ the new technology, because you definitely need a time to get on speed on it. and Seam is not just one technology, you also have to understand JSF lifecycle and Seam lifecycle - it's not an easy switch if you have no deal before with JSF. you better take your time and read Seam-Books, it's not a technology which could be used without investigating time into learning it. -"debug JSF templates".. Hmm, but you can debug Seam application as any other remote application. so you at least can debug your java method calls and if you need client-side javascript debug - then just use FireBug the biggest pros of Seam for me - is simplicity of data-binding and natural way of organizing the code. http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/features/jboss_seam.html And yes, it’s true, think twice before switching to _ANY_ the new technology, because you definitely need a time to get on speed on it. and Seam is not just one technology, you also have to understand JSF lifecycle and Seam lifecycle - it’s not an easy switch if you have no deal before with JSF.
you better take your time and read Seam-Books, it’s not a technology which could be used without investigating time into learning it. -”debug JSF templates”.. Hmm, but you can debug Seam application as any other remote application. so you at least can debug your java method calls and if you need client-side javascript debug - then just use FireBug the biggest pros of Seam for me - is simplicity of data-binding and natural way of organizing the code. ]]> http://gusiev.com/2009/05/jboss-seam-usage-makes-the-application-code-crazy/#comment-20 Bogdan Tue, 05 May 2009 16:59:51 +0000 http://gusiev.com/?p=18#comment-20 Pete, `Permission` methods alway get me stuck. Currently I am doing the call like this for them: <% if (object.isUserAllowedEdit(getCurrentUserId()) {%> .... <% } %> I know that it is bad idea even if don't use Seam. What do you recommend in this case? `Permission` methods alway get me stuck.
Currently I am doing the call like this for them:
< % if (object.isUserAllowedEdit(getCurrentUserId()) {%>
….
< % } %>
I know that it is bad idea even if don’t use Seam.
What do you recommend in this case? ]]> http://gusiev.com/2009/05/jboss-seam-usage-makes-the-application-code-crazy/#comment-19 Bogdan Tue, 05 May 2009 16:50:29 +0000 http://gusiev.com/?p=18#comment-19 Max, Can I integrate these tools to IDE? I prefer IntelliJ Idea. Can I integrate these tools to IDE?
I prefer IntelliJ Idea. ]]> http://gusiev.com/2009/05/jboss-seam-usage-makes-the-application-code-crazy/#comment-18 Max Tue, 05 May 2009 16:42:12 +0000 http://gusiev.com/?p=18#comment-18 Whoops forgot to say I'm JBoss Tools lead http://gusiev.com/2009/05/jboss-seam-usage-makes-the-application-code-crazy/#comment-17 Max Tue, 05 May 2009 16:41:41 +0000 http://gusiev.com/?p=18#comment-17 Bogdan, JBoss Tools 3 have "Find references" that also reports usage of EL in xhtml, pages.xml etc. Let us know if there is something we don't find ;) ]]> http://gusiev.com/2009/05/jboss-seam-usage-makes-the-application-code-crazy/#comment-16 Pete Muir Tue, 05 May 2009 16:41:05 +0000 http://gusiev.com/?p=18#comment-16 Aha - I see what you mean - in general, I would advise calling only business methods from JSF, and using these to call utility methods. A good tooling solution (like JBoss Tools) will alieveate this tottally, as it extends the IDE searches to include EL. http://gusiev.com/2009/05/jboss-seam-usage-makes-the-application-code-crazy/#comment-15 Bogdan Tue, 05 May 2009 16:28:01 +0000 http://gusiev.com/?p=18#comment-15 I can not do utility method call from JSF template. That is why I have to use Seam Application context for utility class. That is a problem because I can not find all usages of the utility method call. Thanks for your info - it was really helpful. I will look through JSF2 of course. http://gusiev.com/2009/05/jboss-seam-usage-makes-the-application-code-crazy/#comment-14 Pete Muir Tue, 05 May 2009 16:03:31 +0000 http://gusiev.com/?p=18#comment-14 Good feedback: * Utility methods - you can still write your utility methods as plain Java methods, and wire them in yourself - use as little or as much DI as you like * IDE / EL usage - we totally agree, hence why we have worked hard on JSR-299 which is typesafe, and so supported natively by an IDE (you can just use the standard "find implementations" feature to navigate, extensions can help with binding annotations) * JSF debugging - we've tried to take our experience with this to JSF2 - so please try out JSF2 and see what you think - of course, this is a first iteration of the new support, so we need feedback on that * Exception handling - we definitely realise this is a weak point (mainly due to having to bolt this onto JSF), but JSF2 now has native exception handling so hopefully this will address your concerns. Pete (Seam project lead) * IDE / EL usage - we totally agree, hence why we have worked hard on JSR-299 which is typesafe, and so supported natively by an IDE (you can just use the standard “find implementations” feature to navigate, extensions can help with binding annotations)
* JSF debugging - we’ve tried to take our experience with this to JSF2 - so please try out JSF2 and see what you think - of course, this is a first iteration of the new support, so we need feedback on that
* Exception handling - we definitely realise this is a weak point (mainly due to having to bolt this onto JSF), but JSF2 now has native exception handling so hopefully this will address your concerns. Pete (Seam project lead) ]]>